tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post9033435335428898427..comments2023-09-02T12:29:45.592-04:00Comments on Had Enough Indy ?: Our2012SB, Inc., Tax ReturnsHad Enough Indy?http://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-90998873561355901452011-08-23T23:41:19.454-04:002011-08-23T23:41:19.454-04:00Contract #8131, 10/18/2010, for 10 million for Geo...Contract #8131, 10/18/2010, for 10 million for Georgia St. Project, 8 million fed and 2 million local. Is this contract also part of the SB update? I can't tell there aren't a lot of spefifics in the document.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09490253182039581408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-75182922103920999822011-08-23T16:09:48.391-04:002011-08-23T16:09:48.391-04:00Thanks Jon !! That's a lot of work to pull all...Thanks Jon !! That's a lot of work to pull all of that out of such a long document. Most interesting.Had Enough Indy?https://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-64975331405350569702011-08-23T15:50:40.629-04:002011-08-23T15:50:40.629-04:00Did some quick browsing on contract 8667 among the...Did some quick browsing on contract 8667 among the interesting things I found; most of the initial design work was planned in February and March of 2010 but the contract 8667 have a start date of 03/2011. I don't read construction contracts on a regular basis so I don't know if this is unusual or not.<br /><br /> The project grew from 4 million to over 10 million in less then six months, pages 66-67. The initial 4 million was from federal highway dollars, wonder where the other 6+ million will come from. There is some mention of steam heated sidewalks and that alone is 1+ million dollars.<br /><br /> Somewhere in attachment D the total "Optional" cost is over 13 million dollars; part of those costs, bicycle racks $13,882.50, ornamental rails $85,000.00, rain gardens $16,056.00, trees (8")$150,000.00, trees (6") $60,000.00, trees (4") $20,000.00 and radiant heat items, intersections $243,000.00, on Georgia Street $791,610.00 and vault for radiant heat $120,000.00.<br /><br /> No wonder they don't want anyone to see what is really going on!Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09490253182039581408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-78635836991333166562011-08-23T09:09:57.420-04:002011-08-23T09:09:57.420-04:00anon - its easy to wave one's hands in the air...anon - its easy to wave one's hands in the air and make statements that are unproven. How about we get an independent analysis of how much money the super bowl village/georgia street project is costing Indianapolis (lets even forget totally about the state and fed costs). The analysis should also cover how much additional business will flow to the area, and how much additional COIT money will go to the City. Part of the restaurant tax goes to the CIB. Any increase in assessed value due to these improvements will generate additional property tax dollars that will flow to the Consolidated Downtown TIF. <br /><br />So, how long will it take for the City to recoup its investment through increased COIT revenues? <br /><br />Let's stop guessing and start looking at solid analyses.Had Enough Indy?https://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-67216428766820765712011-08-23T08:25:57.356-04:002011-08-23T08:25:57.356-04:00Georgia, or whatever it ends up being called, is b...Georgia, or whatever it ends up being called, is being re-purposed as an 'event' street that will be used for decades of future Indy events, and should generate some nice tax bucks therefrom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-18736563265935694812011-08-22T21:55:16.488-04:002011-08-22T21:55:16.488-04:00Jon, we don't know if Indy gets any say. We d...Jon, we don't know if Indy gets any say. We don't know what was promised. They are shielding the facts from disclosure to the public. If we know what was promised, there is a chance we'd say it was reasonable. If we didn't think it was reasonable, then we have the right to say so.<br /><br />I keep repeating : the public has an inherent right to know what was promised.Had Enough Indy?https://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-39023906619851973902011-08-22T21:38:22.407-04:002011-08-22T21:38:22.407-04:00HEI, perhaps the most galling aspect of this fiasc...HEI, perhaps the most galling aspect of this fiasco is best summed up by the SB 2012 statement;<br /><br />"Under the supervision of the National Football League, Our 2012SB will centralize the planning and the execution of the 2012 Super Bowl to ensure coordination of all efforts and community resources. Our 2012 SB will serve as an extension to the National Football League in the local community,"<br /><br /> Is the tail wagging the dog here, is the NFL calling the shots and the 2012 SB just following orders? Under the supervision of the NFL... as an extension of the NFL... Doesn't sound to me like anyone in Indy gets a say about SB 2012.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09490253182039581408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-52073010619733516672011-08-22T20:53:32.194-04:002011-08-22T20:53:32.194-04:00think, not thing -- sorry for poor typing/proofing...think, not thing -- sorry for poor typing/proofingHad Enough Indy?https://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-40765738269638676742011-08-22T20:51:20.504-04:002011-08-22T20:51:20.504-04:00Jon, the contract reads that INDOT was working wit...Jon, the contract reads that INDOT was working with Our 2012 SB, Inc. INDOT would contribute $4 million in federal dollars to the project (I thing construction, not design). Our 2012 SB, Inc., negotiated a contract with a design firm that sub'ed some work to other firms. DPW then entered into a contract with Our 2012 SB, Inc., to reimburse that organization for the design costs and assume the rest of the construction contracts. I think DPW was always going to fund and let the construction piece - aided with INDOT/federal dollars.<br /><br />I do not know if this path was a way to allow the NFL, through Our 2012 SB, Inc., to call all design shots - or - that Our 2012 SB, Inc., was supposed to pay for the design phase but doesn't have enough money and DPW bailed them out of the cost.<br /><br />Fred, I do not have any information on what the local/INDOT/fed ratios are for this project.Had Enough Indy?https://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-88947808850511791972011-08-22T20:38:15.612-04:002011-08-22T20:38:15.612-04:00Don't forget that half the $12 million for Boo...Don't forget that half the $12 million for Boondoggle Boulevard aka Georgia Street is federal money. And we all know they have even more money to burn than the local wastrels. Just listen to the presses run off the inflationary dollars.Fred McCarthynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-6379105754516333942011-08-22T19:11:50.272-04:002011-08-22T19:11:50.272-04:00How is that a non governmental entity, our SB2012 ...How is that a non governmental entity, our SB2012 committee, can request design work from the DPW? Can any other 501c make a request to DPW? Would the DPW even listen to a request from a 501c?<br /> Does the 501c exist strictly to obfuscate who spends what and where for SB 2012? It certainly smells like that.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09490253182039581408noreply@blogger.com